sorry if this has been discussed before, but can anyone tell me what the current wtbs view of suicide is?
it used to that they would suffer the second death and therefore would not be resurrected.
hows that for christian love.
Sorry if this has been discussed before, but can anyone tell me what the current WTBS view of suicide is?
It used to that they would suffer the second death and therefore would not be resurrected.
How’s that for Christian love.
Does anyone know if this is still the official watchtower view?
hi guys,.
good discussion here.
thanks.. what is real christianity?
Here’s my 2 cents worth.
Not all questions are valid simply because there are asked. The classic “have you stopped beating your wife” is based on several suppositions, namely you are married and you used to beat her. If neither are true the question is meaningless.
So many of the questions I asked while a "witness" were likewise meaningless as the suppositions they were based on were untrue.
Who says you have to go anywhere. I found doing the one thing that the WTBS never did was the uttering of what is to my mind the most important prayer ever recorded, the Lord’s Prayer.
The more those simple words are used with due thought, sincerity and meditation I have come to realise a depth of understanding I never had before.
Discard the New World Translation and obtain the the New Life Good News Bible. For the first time in 50 years I can enjoy and understand reading the Bible.
Pick any verse at random, compare the two renderings and you will dump the NWT and treasure the other.
Try it and see.
sorry i know it comes up again and again, but darn it, i can't find it!
i am looking for one of the sites that have only watchtower quotes in it.
did they all get shut down?
try these also
http://www.qwotes.info/index.htm
how to become a cult leader video:.
http://www.randytv.com/coreylan.ram.
is there any doubt?.
no. no doubt at all. they probably use 93% of the methods mentioned in this video.
( did you know that 71.5% of all statistics are made up on the spot)!!!!!!!!!
i put this page on just to know how many jws there are on this site.
i am sure that we all will be intrested to know as to who stands where.
i am only requesting if we are a jw or not, the year we got baptized and the year that we decided to leave.
by the way, no longer wondering.
i put this page on just to know how many jws there are on this site.
i am sure that we all will be intrested to know as to who stands where.
i am only requesting if we are a jw or not, the year we got baptized and the year that we decided to leave.
dunked about 1956 and again about 1962 (just wanted to make absolutely sure, yes I thought i would go to gehenna if the first time wasn’t just perfect), but spent my entire life trying to make sense of (and i worked very hard at it) the contradictions, unscriptural dogma, blatant hypocrisy and in the last 2 years the many lies and deceptions that I have discovered perpetrated throughout its history.
I finally gave up trying last year. Since read both Raymond Franz books and others. for the first time in my life have peace of mind.
that's what i was told when i called 718-560-5600 and asked a brother in the service department about all the flip flops on blood and other doctrines over the past 50 years.
not once did he mention 'new light' or 'old light'.
then he became a little confused when i mentioned that a lot of 'worldly' people are encouraging the jw's to compare "new light' with 'old light' because a lot of it is complete reversals and turn-arounds that are circularly oriented.
| Jgnat, Nina, Lady Lee Thanks for your welcome. I think my belief system has already been messed with and I’m not sure if it has served me well all those years. Because I drew my conclusions over a period of many years it was a gradual awakening but what shook me was reading on the internet others’ experiences that mirror mine. So much of what I read I think to myself yes, I felt, saw, heard, experienced just that. I thought I was the odd one out because I couldn’t fit all the pieces together. I now realise that no one can fit the pieces together, some just pretend they can. My wife (baptised over 30 years) has come to the same conclusions. The only family I need worry about is our daughter. I have been open with her as I’ve come to these conclusions and so far she hasn’t expressed an opinion either way. I’m not sure where to go from here. I feel that all religions, being man made, are therefore like man himself (sorry about the sexism), a mixture of good and bad in varying proportions. Various religions have more of one than the other. If anyone knows different then please let me know. I think coming to know our creator has nothing to do with organised religion but is all about being honest, sincere and caring, an alien concept for most (but not all) in the organisation, as it seems to attract largely the unstable and selfish. Thanks, yes I will stick around. | |
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that's what i was told when i called 718-560-5600 and asked a brother in the service department about all the flip flops on blood and other doctrines over the past 50 years.
not once did he mention 'new light' or 'old light'.
then he became a little confused when i mentioned that a lot of 'worldly' people are encouraging the jw's to compare "new light' with 'old light' because a lot of it is complete reversals and turn-arounds that are circularly oriented.
Jgnat, Nina, Lady Lee
Thanks for your welcome. I think my belief system has already been messed with and I’m not sure if it has served me well all those years.
Because I drew my conclusions over a period of many years it was a gradual awakening but what shook me was reading on the internet others’ experiences that mirror mine. So much of what I read I think to myself yes, I felt, saw, heard, experienced just that.
I thought I was the odd one out because I couldn’t fit all the pieces together. I now realise that no one can fit the pieces together, some just pretend they can.
My wife (baptised over 30 years) has come to the same conclusions. The only family I need worry about is our daughter. I have been open with her as I’ve come to these conclusions and so far she hasn’t expressed an opinion either way.
I’m not sure where to go from here. I feel that all religions, being man made, are therefore like man himself (sorry about the sexism), a mixture of good and bad in varying proportions. Various religions have more of one than the other. If anyone knows different then please let me know.
I think coming to know our creator has nothing to do with organised religion but is all about being honest, sincere and caring, an alien concept for most (but not all) in the organisation, as it seems to attract largely the unstable and selfish.
Thanks, yes I will stick around.
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here is what was mentioned in coc.
it was mentioned that the generation date could be moved from 1914 to 1957,. so, they would leave 1914 as the end of the gentile times, and re-instate the generation doctrine from 1914 to the 1957 date.. naw, they wouldn't do this.they promised not to fool around with this dating stuff ever again,right.. blueblades
hi
i.m new here. can you tell me what the publication COC is and where i can read it?
many thanks
that's what i was told when i called 718-560-5600 and asked a brother in the service department about all the flip flops on blood and other doctrines over the past 50 years.
not once did he mention 'new light' or 'old light'.
then he became a little confused when i mentioned that a lot of 'worldly' people are encouraging the jw's to compare "new light' with 'old light' because a lot of it is complete reversals and turn-arounds that are circularly oriented.
hi
i'm new here and new to posting anything anywhere on the internet. i have attended the meetings since the age of 8 (now 61), got baptised twice, studied all the publications enthusiastically for many years but for some reason that eluded me i could never understand the truth and what was worse i could'nt understand why i could'nt understand the truth.
over a period of many decades much new light was shed but oddly enough the more light that was shed the more confused i felt. ideas (doctrines) that i believed (but not necessarily understood) were changed or were dropped entirely.
i would have thought that new light would have clarified existing beliefs, brought them into sharper focus and reinforced them.
but not so.
it has clouded them over, made them less definable, replaced them entirely or even just quietly dropped.
this seems to be not just "new" light but rather "different" light.
what i once "knew" about the generation of 1914, earthquakes and the sign of the end, organ transplants, vaccinations and numerous other beliefs i realise now was wrong since they have all changed over the succeeding decades.
i ask myself, if this is the light getting lighter why do i no longer understand things that i once understood so clearly.
i'm still wondering.
